Overview of Startups for the Rest of Us (Episode 853: How to Become the SaaS That AI Recommends)
In this episode, Rob Walling talks with Ross Hudgens, CEO of Siege Media and author of Generative Engine Optimization: The Definitive Guide to AI SEO, about how SaaS companies can improve their visibility in AI-driven search results. The discussion centers on the shift from traditional SEO to GEO (Generative Engine Optimization), including the importance of reviews, third-party mentions, comparison pages, influencer content, Reddit, and other sources that LLMs use to recommend products.
Main Takeaways
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SEO still matters, but GEO adds new signals
- Traditional SEO remains a major part of being recommended by AI tools.
- The “new” layer is off-site credibility: reviews, affiliate/listicle mentions, comparison sites, and third-party roundups.
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LLMs often rely on the same sources humans do
- Sites like G2, Capterra, niche review sites, and editorial listicles heavily influence AI recommendations.
- In B2B SaaS, there are often fewer trusted sources than in consumer markets, so those few sources matter a lot.
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Positioning affects AI visibility
- Don’t always try to be “best overall.”
- It can be easier to win visibility by owning a narrower claim, like:
- “best for small business”
- “best CRM for marketers”
- “best for enterprise teams”
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Comparison pages are underrated
- “X vs Y” content can strongly correlate with higher AI visibility.
- These pages help LLMs place your product in decision-stage contexts.
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Influence snowballs
- If you show up in the right directories, roundups, and review sites, those mentions get reused by other writers, affiliates, and AI systems.
- Visibility creates more visibility.
Tactical Recommendations for SaaS Teams
1. Build strong “best X” roundup pages
- Create high-quality “best [category] software” pages.
- Include:
- clear positioning
- branded screenshots
- pros/cons
- accurate pricing
- regular updates
- Refresh these pages quarterly if possible.
2. Publish “vs” pages
- Create neutral, honest comparison pages against key competitors.
- Focus on authentic differentiation instead of trashing competitors.
- Make sure the page reflects how you want the model to describe your company.
3. Invest in reviews and third-party mentions
- Ask customers for reviews on relevant sites like G2 or niche directories.
- Encourage product marketing to build a repeatable review-generation motion.
- Third-party credibility is increasingly important for AI recommendations.
4. Use influencers and YouTube strategically
- YouTube is still a major source in AI citations.
- If direct sponsorships or affiliate placements feel uncomfortable, partner with creators who already review similar products.
- Look for reviewers of adjacent categories and offer paid placements or affiliate deals.
5. Use Reddit where it makes sense
- Reddit is still influential, though not always the #1 cited source.
- The best use cases are:
- where your target customers already hang out
- where real users ask “is this a good tool?” questions
- If there’s enough brand demand, consider building a subreddit or community.
How to Prioritize Topics for GEO
Ross suggests using Google search volume as a proxy for AI prompt demand, since reliable AI prompt-volume data is still limited.
Practical approach:
- Identify your highest-volume category terms in Ahrefs/SEMrush/etc.
- Turn those into AI-style prompts:
- “What is the best project management software?”
- “What is the best CRM for small businesses?”
- Build content and citations around those core prompts first.
Measurement and Tools
What to measure
- Percent visibility: how often your brand appears in AI responses for target prompts.
- Source URLs: which domains are cited when LLMs recommend products.
- Qualitative descriptors: how the AI describes your company:
- enterprise vs SMB
- marketer-focused vs developer-focused
- budget vs premium
Tools mentioned
- Peak.ai for prompt tracking and visibility monitoring
- Existing SEO tools and search volume data as proxies for AI demand
Who Should Start with GEO Now
Ross’s advice for early-stage founders:
- If you’re doing $5K–$50K MRR and haven’t touched GEO yet, start with the basics:
- reviews
- roundup pages
- comparison pages
- third-party listings
- Don’t overcomplicate it—focus on the sources AI models already trust.
Notable Industry Insight
- Siege Media experienced a major client loss when an S&P 100 company laid off its SEO team and shifted to an internal “AI transformation” group.
- That painful transition accelerated Siege Media’s pivot toward GEO services.
- Despite the setback, Ross says demand for AI search help has grown quickly.
Suggested First Steps for Founders
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Systematize customer reviews
- Ask for G2 or relevant niche reviews as part of your customer success flow.
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Create two core content types
- “Best [category]” roundup pages
- “Your product vs competitor” pages
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Improve your presence on the right third-party platforms
- G2, niche directories, affiliate sites, YouTube, and Reddit where relevant
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Track visibility over time
- Use prompt trackers and monitor which pages/sources are being cited.
Final Thought
The episode frames GEO as the next evolution of SaaS marketing: not a replacement for SEO, but a broader strategy for becoming the product AI systems trust and recommend. Ross’s core message is simple—be present where the web already recognizes authority, and the AI models will follow.
