Overview of The Rest Is Politics with Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart
This episode examines the rising power of the hard right in Europe through two headline stories: the AfD’s surge in a German state election in Saxony-Anhalt, and the growing scandal around Reform UK’s fundraising, conference behavior, and rhetoric. The hosts argue that these are not isolated national controversies but part of a broader international pattern of xenophobic, anti-democratic politics gaining momentum, helped by polarization, weak mainstream leadership, and the normalization of behaviour that would once have been politically fatal.
Germany: AfD surge in Saxony-Anhalt
Why the election mattered
- The AfD won around 43–44% in Saxony-Anhalt, a dramatic result that nearly puts them in position to lead a German state.
- The result was described as potentially historic: the first far-right-led German state since the Nazi era.
- The CDU collapsed to roughly 17%, highlighting the weakness of Germany’s mainstream conservative opposition.
What the AfD is and why it is seen as dangerous
- The AfD began as an anti-Euro party during the eurozone crisis, then expanded after the 2015 migration crisis.
- The hosts and guest Paul Ronzheimer stressed that it is not just populist:
- it contains hard-right extremist elements
- it has links to fascist networks and past youth extremist groups
- it is strongly pro-Russia / pro-Putin
- The party’s politics are framed as a mix of nationalism, anti-migration sentiment, and anti-EU hostility.
Key political implications
- The AfD’s positions challenge core EU structures:
- leaving the euro
- undermining Schengen
- weakening support for Ukraine
- The episode notes that even as the AfD gains power, it has not moderated much; leading figures still openly talk about leaving the euro and pursuing radical nationalist policies.
- The party’s rise is also tied to frustration in eastern Germany, especially among voters who feel abandoned by the CDU and SPD.
Local dynamics and voter sentiment
- Ronzheimer described many voters as having:
- nostalgia for the former East Germany (DDR)
- resentment over migration policy
- anger about support for Ukraine while domestic budgets are squeezed
- a belief that the AfD is at least “something different” after repeated disappointment with mainstream parties
- A key point: many voters are not necessarily enthusiastic about the AfD’s ideology so much as fed up with everyone else.
What happens next
- The hosts discuss whether:
- CDU politicians might secretly support an AfD-backed outcome
- Friedrich Merz can survive as CDU leader
- the AfD’s growth could fuel a broader “blue wave” across Germany
- They also note the electoral danger for the mainstream if the right continues to gain ground in upcoming state contests.
Reform UK: foreign funding allegations and ethical collapse
The undercover investigation
- A major focus is an undercover documentary showing Reform figures discussing how to accept impermissible foreign donations.
- An undercover reporter posed as the son of an American billionaire and spent months gathering evidence.
- The hosts argue the footage strongly suggests:
- deliberate attempts to circumvent electoral law
- an effort to conceal who was actually funding polling and party operations
- a culture of plausible deniability around Nigel Farage
Main figures discussed
- James Orr is singled out as an especially revealing figure:
- a Cambridge academic and professor of ethics/divinity
- presented as a respectable intellectual voice for the right
- shown, in the hosts’ view, behaving dishonestly and contemptuously toward transparency rules
- Dan Jukes is also mentioned as part of the fundraising arrangement.
- Farage is accused of relying on the idea that he can claim ignorance while benefiting from the scheme.
The legal and moral argument
- The hosts insist the issue is not just technical legality but the purpose of the law:
- British parties are meant to be funded by UK-domiciled donors
- the law exists to prevent foreign influence, whether from Russia, China, or American billionaires
- They argue the Reform operation appears designed to break both the spirit and possibly the letter of the law.
Wider context: Reform, Russia, and normalization
- The episode connects the scandal to other figures such as Nathan Gill, a former Farage ally who was jailed for pro-Russian activity.
- The hosts argue Reform’s conduct reflects a broader collapse in political standards:
- “they all do it” defenses
- reduced public outrage
- increased tolerance for corruption and dishonesty
Reform conference and far-right culture
Violence and intimidation
- A woman questioning Reform at the conference was allegedly grabbed, hit, and dragged out.
- The hosts say the reaction from senior right-wing figures showed striking indifference.
What it says about the party
- The episode argues this reveals a culture of:
- coarseness
- violence
- anti-democratic behavior
- contempt for accountability
Immigration and racism
- The hosts condemn comments questioning whether a British citizen should be eligible for office because she was not born in Britain.
- They describe this as straightforward racism and part of a wider attempt to redefine citizenship in ethnic rather than civic terms.
“Protesters” at the ports
- The episode also criticizes masked men in black who tried to shut down ports over small boat crossings.
- The hosts reject the media label of “protesters” and call them far-right thugs.
- They argue the group’s behaviour fits the same pattern:
- anti-migrant rage
- intimidation
- criminality normalized as activism
Main takeaways
- The hard right is gaining ground in both Britain and Germany, but the deeper story is the erosion of democratic norms across Europe.
- The AfD and Reform are portrayed as different versions of the same phenomenon:
- nationalist
- anti-immigration
- anti-establishment
- comfortable with dishonesty and extremism
- Mainstream leaders are seen as weak, reactive, or incapable of offering a compelling alternative.
- The hosts warn that these movements are not merely electoral irritants; they may reshape Europe’s politics, weaken support for Ukraine, and destabilize the broader European project.
Notable insights
- “These parties are eroding everything we cared about with democracy.”
- The AfD’s success is driven less by ideological conviction than by anger at the existing political class.
- Far-right movements are increasingly effective at presenting themselves as respectable, moral, or patriotic while normalizing corruption and extremism underneath.
