PMS 2.0 1558 - Wayne Gretzky, PGA Championship Winner Aaron Rai, Kendrick Perkins, PK Subban, & AJ Hawk

Summary of PMS 2.0 1558 - Wayne Gretzky, PGA Championship Winner Aaron Rai, Kendrick Perkins, PK Subban, & AJ Hawk

by Pat McAfee, ESPN

2h 48mMay 21, 2026

Overview of PMS 2.0 1558

This episode of Pardon My Take / PMS 2.0 was a fast-moving sports roundup built around two big interviews — Wayne Gretzky and PGA Championship winner Aaron Rai — plus plenty of reaction to the NBA and NHL playoffs, Aaron Rodgers’ likely final NFL season, and a handful of breaking news items across sports. The show leaned heavily into the idea that it’s a huge time for sports: every league had meaningful games, big personalities, and shifting storylines.

Major Topics Covered

NBA Playoffs: Thunder, Knicks, and Cavs

  • The crew opened with Oklahoma City’s playoff win and the controversy around the Thunder’s physical style, especially Isaiah Hartenstein battling Victor Wembanyama.
  • They discussed:
    • the Thunder’s depth and star power
    • SGA’s late-game takeover
    • complaints about flopping and free throws
  • The Knicks’ 22-point comeback over the Cavaliers in Game 1 of the East finals was a major talking point.
    • Jalen Brunson was praised for his poise and killer instinct.
    • James Harden drew criticism from Kendrick Perkins for struggling defensively and offensively.
    • The Cavaliers’ lack of late-game adjustments and leadership was also debated.

NHL Playoffs: Canes, Canadiens, Golden Knights, and Avalanche

  • A major portion of the show focused on the NHL postseason, with the hosts emphasizing how entertaining the playoffs have been.
  • Key storylines:
    • Carolina vs. Montreal in the Eastern Conference Final
    • Vegas vs. Colorado in the West
    • the importance of home-ice energy and physical playoff hockey
  • The crew highlighted:
    • Carolina’s intimidating home crowd
    • Montreal’s fatigue after a long series
    • Colorado missing Cale Makar as a major issue
    • Vegas getting elite play and strong coaching from John Tortorella was actually discussed in the context of strong veteran leadership, though the name was likely meant as a coaching reference elsewhere; the main point was Vegas’s bench leadership and execution

Baseball: Ohtani, Pirates, and Prospects

  • Shohei Ohtani was praised for continuing to dominate as both a pitcher and hitter.
  • The show also touched on:
    • the Pirates’ young talent and their place in a crowded NL Central
    • the rise of Miz (Jacob Misiorowski) as a power arm with massive upside
    • the fun, fan-driven “tarps off” baseball culture spreading in places like St. Louis and Pittsburgh
  • A big takeaway: baseball’s most exciting players are becoming must-watch nightly storylines.

Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers

  • One of the biggest NFL moments came when Rodgers told reporters: “This is it.”
  • The panel interpreted that as Rodgers clearly signaling that 2026 is likely his last season.
  • They discussed:
    • the Steelers’ “all-in” vibe
    • how Rodgers’ presence creates urgency
    • the idea that the team can now build with clarity around his timeline
  • There was also optimism that Pittsburgh’s offense could be much better than expected if Rodgers stays healthy.

Breaking NFL / Team News

  • Jack Campbell received a new deal from the Lions, with the crew praising his role as the heart of Detroit’s defense.
  • The Raiders were discussed as a team with surprising upside:
    • Fernando Mendoza was described as an exciting, smart, physically gifted quarterback prospect
    • Brock Bowers was labeled a football “robot from heaven”
    • the overall roster build was seen as aggressive and potentially promising

Guest Interviews

Wayne Gretzky

Gretzky was the standout guest of the show. The conversation covered:

  • the growth of hockey globally
  • the NHL’s increasing parity and entertainment value
  • why hockey is thriving in the current era
  • his praise for the league’s athletes and personalities
  • memories of Sidney Crosby as a young phenom
  • how Gretzky views all-time greats like Crosby, McDavid, Mario Lemieux, and others

Key Gretzky takeaways

  • Hockey is growing because the players are marketable, skilled, and likable.
  • The league’s parity makes almost every playoff series feel winnable.
  • He still believes the sport is in a strong upward trend.
  • He praised Canada, the U.S., and international hockey growth.
  • He emphasized that today’s players are bigger, faster, and stronger than his era.

Aaron Rai

The PGA Championship winner discussed:

  • winning the PGA Championship
  • the difficulty of the course and the tough scoring conditions
  • his lifelong comfort as a putter
  • why he wears two gloves
  • how his wife helps keep his life balanced
  • what the victory means for the rest of his career

Key Rai takeaways

  • He’s been a two-glove player since childhood, originally for warmth, then for feel and grip.
  • The win is career-changing because it gives him major exemptions and access to elite events.
  • He and his wife keep golf from taking over every part of life.
  • His win was celebrated in a low-key but meaningful way, including a Chipotle stop the next day.

Kendrick Perkins and P.K. Subban Appearances

Both guests brought strong opinions and lots of energy.

Kendrick Perkins

  • Focused on the Thunder’s physicality and the controversy around Hartenstein’s defense on Wembanyama.
  • Criticized James Harden’s defense and questioned Cleveland’s execution.
  • Praised Alex Caruso as one of the best role players of his generation.
  • Was highly skeptical of the Cavaliers after Game 1.

P.K. Subban

  • Talked about the Canadiens, Hurricanes, and the speed/skill demands of playoff hockey.
  • Argued that Montreal needs to be faster and more connected against Carolina.
  • Praised Mitch Marner and explained why Toronto fans are wrong to blame him.
  • Broke down skating edges, hockey IQ, and the elite movement skills of top NHL players.
  • Also admitted to warming up fish in the ESPN office, which became a running joke.

Notable Moments and Running Jokes

  • The “ethical ball” conversation around Oklahoma City’s physical style.
  • Multiple jokes about “goons,” flopping, and playoff hard-nosed hockey.
  • A long-running bit about bees affecting internet service at AJ Hawk’s house.
  • A “tarps off” celebration trend in baseball.
  • Several humorous references to New York celebrities, Timothée Chalamet, Ben Stiller, and the Knicks’ vibe in Madison Square Garden.
  • The crew repeatedly joked about how many sports stories were happening at once.

Key Takeaways

  • Sports are delivering everywhere right now: NBA, NHL, MLB, and golf all had major storylines.
  • Wayne Gretzky reinforced hockey’s momentum and its growing appeal worldwide.
  • Aaron Rai’s PGA win feels like a career-defining breakthrough.
  • Aaron Rodgers’ “this is it” comment was treated as a real signal that his final season may be here.
  • The playoffs are physical, emotional, and unpredictable, which is exactly why the show kept calling this a great time to be a sports fan.