Hour 1: Judge Pope Zaslow (feat. Jessica Smetana)

Summary of Hour 1: Judge Pope Zaslow (feat. Jessica Smetana)

by Dan Le Batard, Stugotz

43mNovember 19, 2025

Overview of Hour 1: Judge Pope Zaslow (feat. Jessica Smetana)

This hour of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz features sports-media banter and analysis led by Dan, Stugotz and regulars, with guest Jessica Smetana. The conversation centers on college-football playoff jockeying (especially Notre Dame vs. Miami), the Lane Kiffin distraction at Ole Miss, how the CFP committee is evaluating teams, and a variety of NFL/coach/TV sidebars (Tom Brady in the booth, Chip Kelly in the NFL, offense comparisons across eras). The tone mixes sharp critique of the committee and media with light-hearted in-studio courtroom jokes, internet-minute tangents and advertiser spots.

Main topics discussed

  • Lane Kiffin / Ole Miss

    • Reports of an ultimatum about whether Kiffin would coach in the playoffs; Kiffin publicly denied an ultimatum.
    • Jessica: could be both true (internal pressure vs. formal ultimatum). Family travel to Gainesville/Baton Rouge fed speculation.
    • Broader worry: if a coach leaves before playoffs, should committee exclude the team (referencing how FSU was treated)?
  • CFP rankings controversy — Notre Dame vs. Miami

    • Committee ranked Notre Dame ahead of Miami despite Miami’s head-to-head win.
    • Debate over committee logic: head-to-head vs. quality wins/losses, advanced metrics, “floor vs. ceiling” thinking.
    • Jessica argues both teams still have paths; warns not to prematurely count chickens.
    • Concerns raised about committee inconsistency (e.g., treating Oregon–Penn State, Louisville–Virginia results unevenly).
  • How the committee builds resumes/top-25

    • Critics claim some lower-ranked teams were backfilled to boost other teams’ resumes (examples cited: Arizona State, Tennessee, Missouri, North Texas).
    • Panelists question whether committee selectively uses analytics or generates rankings to protect top teams’ cases.
  • College football landscape & fairness

    • Group-of-5 teams (G5) feel disadvantaged; discussion of playoff access and likely blowout outcomes if included.
    • The evolution of the game: more offense, elevated statistics, bigger staffs/coaching sophistication complicate cross-era comparisons.
  • NFL/coach/TV sidebars

    • Montage of coach-speak (quotes from McVay, Tomlin, Pete Carroll) used as a comedic element.
    • Tom Brady’s role in broadcast booth (and his headset presence with the Bucs) criticized — questions about competence and conflict of interest.
    • Chip Kelly’s NFL role and pay noted; skepticism about translating college success to NFL offense.
    • Discussion on whether modern stat inflation makes it unfair to compare historic college offenses to present-day ones.
  • Lighter/internet tangents

    • “Internet minute” about reporter Olivia Nuzzi (and alleged personal scandals).
    • Banter about cheerleading, costumes, and show-specific courtroom gag where Jonathan Zaslow “rules” whose question was being asked.

Key takeaways

  • The Lane Kiffin story remains murky; denial doesn’t eliminate internal pressure rumors — coaches without extensions are always suspect for NFL openings.
  • The CFP committee’s ranking logic is under heavy criticism: head-to-head results, quality wins/losses, analytics and “team floor vs. ceiling” are being weighed inconsistently.
  • Notre Dame vs. Miami is unsettled — both teams still have plausible playoff paths; the committee could reshuffle them if other games change the landscape.
  • The committee may be using the full top-25 to build defensive arguments for teams already inside the top 15, which raises fairness questions.
  • Comparing historic offenses to modern ones is fraught: scheme, staff resources, and statistical inflation matter — raw numbers don’t tell the whole story.
  • Group-of-5 teams and smaller conferences remain at a structural disadvantage in the expanded playoff era.

Notable quotes / moments

  • Jessica Smetana: “If you have to give the other person an ultimatum, you should probably just break up.” (On the Kiffin negotiation framing)
  • Dan Le Batard: “The point of football is to win a game.” (Critique of committee focus on quality losses over wins)
  • Reoccurring joke/montage: coaches’ meaningless platitudes — “The most important thing is, you know, just secure the W.”
  • In-studio gag: “The Honorable Jonathan Zagel now presiding” — playful mock trial to settle who a question was addressed to.

Guest perspective — Jessica Smetana

  • Jessica is skeptical of headlines but accepts that both reporting and Kiffin’s denial could be partly true (soft ultimatum vs. explicit demand).
  • Strong Notre Dame supporter/bias — defends ND’s resume, argues they’ve improved and are deserving of playoff consideration.
  • Advises patience: many consequential games remain (Oregon–USC, Iron Bowl, conference championship permutations), so don’t lock in outcomes yet.
  • Recommends judging teams on multiple data points and context (game control, late-game performance, opponent trajectories).

What to watch next (games & decision points)

  • Oregon vs. USC — could be decisive for Oregon’s playoff hopes.
  • Iron Bowl (Alabama/Auburn) — always impactful for SEC pecking order.
  • Remaining SEC/ACC/Big Ten games and conference championship permutations — many scenarios still possible.
  • How committee moves if Miami and Notre Dame draw closer — will head-to-head be used as tiebreaker if teams appear “in the same pod”?

Actionable listening/read suggestions

  • Follow upcoming CFP committee releases and the AP polls to track narrative shifts.
  • If you care about fairness or G5 inclusion, watch key G5 champions to evaluate their competitiveness vs. Power 5 teams.
  • For deeper ND perspective, check Jessica’s Notre Dame podcast “The Echoes” (with Mike Golick Jr.).

Closing notes

This hour blends policy critique (CFP logic and fairness) with sports-culture riffs (coaching, broadcasting, modern stat inflation). The recurring theme: human judgment (and inconsistencies) in ranking teams is producing more controversy than clarity, and several high-profile coaching storylines (Kiffin, Brady, college-to-NFL coaches) are adding noise to the playoff conversation.