Overview of EXCLUSIVE: Ben Shapiro’s 9/10 “Lunch” Date. More Text Messages From Charlie Kirk. | Ep 365
This episode is a highly personal and combative monologue from Candace Owens centered on the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s death, her long-running feud with Ben Shapiro and Turning Point USA, and what she describes as a broader pattern of lying, pressure, and “DARVO” tactics from people around Kirk’s legacy. Owens shares alleged new information about who Ben Shapiro was with when Kirk was shot, revisits private text messages she says show her close relationship with Kirk, and then pivots into a second segment comparing the public handling of Charlie Kirk’s death to the death of Twitch and the response from Twitch’s widow, Allison Holker. The episode also includes sponsor messages, audience comments, and repeated calls for tips from viewers.
Main Topics Covered
Ben Shapiro’s whereabouts when Charlie Kirk was shot
Owens says she received and verified information suggesting Ben Shapiro was in Los Angeles with Gary Javich when Charlie Kirk was shot. She notes:
- Ben reportedly described being at a “breakfast/lunch” meeting.
- Owens says she could not confirm the meal claim, but believes the person with him was Gary Javich.
- She also says there was allegedly an unidentified woman present.
- She emphasizes that Ben was in LA because he was scheduled to appear later that night at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library.
Owens spends a lot of time on Javich’s background, claiming he is connected to:
- B’nai B’rith International
- Chabad Lubavitch of Nebraska
- AIPAC
Her point is less about the meal itself and more about what she sees as suspicious proximity and influence networks.
Text messages with Charlie Kirk
A major segment is devoted to text exchanges Owens says she had with Charlie Kirk in late 2023, during her fallout with the Daily Wire.
According to Owens, the messages show:
- Kirk defended her publicly when she was criticized for asking questions and quoting Bible verses about peace.
- Kirk told her not to resign because “it’s what they want.”
- He described the situation as a “hit” and said it was coordinated.
- The two discussed pressure from donors and people trying to force ideological conformity.
- Owens says Kirk supported her during her firing and gave her strategic advice.
She uses these messages to argue that:
- She and Kirk were close friends.
- Kirk was under intense pressure from pro-Israel donors and media figures.
- Claims that she and Kirk were estranged are false.
Turning Point USA, Andrew Kolvet, and “lying about the dead”
Owens repeatedly accuses Turning Point USA figures, especially Andrew Kolvet, of rewriting the public record around Kirk’s relationships and final days. She says:
- Kolvet falsely claimed she and Kirk were not close.
- He falsely implied Ben Shapiro and Kirk were close.
- Turning Point is engaging in a deliberate cover-up.
- Their behavior is an example of “DARVO” — deny, attack, reverse victim and offender.
She frames this as a moral betrayal of Kirk’s memory and says the lies are causing more people to question Turning Point and its allies.
Ben Shapiro’s role and Owens’ broader critique
Owens continues her long-running attack on Ben Shapiro, describing him as:
- Envious of Charlie Kirk’s rise
- Fixated on rivals like Tucker Carlson and Kirk
- Someone who tries to take over other people’s organizations
- A person who “behaves like a parasite”
She says Shapiro’s comments after Kirk’s death were disturbing, especially his claim that his security was in contact with Kirk’s security while Kirk was still in the SUV. Owens portrays that as sinister and inappropriate.
A possible parallel: the Twitch/Allison Holker case
In the back half of the episode, Owens shifts to a different death case: Twitch, the dancer and TV personality from The Ellen DeGeneres Show. A viewer comment prompts her to compare it with Charlie Kirk’s case.
Owens highlights what she sees as similarities:
- A sudden death ruled suicide
- A widow who moved quickly into books/business/public messaging
- Family tension and reported NDA requests around memorial arrangements
- Public narratives that Owens thinks look rehearsed or strategic
She particularly focuses on Allison Holker’s later interviews and memoir, where Holker discussed finding hidden substances and discovering issues she says she didn’t know about. Owens suggests this is a familiar “formula” for shaping public perception after a death.
Key Takeaways
- Owens’ central claim is that there has been an organized effort to control the story around Charlie Kirk’s death and legacy.
- She believes Ben Shapiro was not as distant from the situation as publicly portrayed, and she is trying to identify who he was with at the time of the shooting.
- The episode heavily relies on private text messages Owens says prove her closeness to Kirk and show his frustration with donor pressure and internal politics.
- Owens argues that Turning Point USA leadership is lying about relationships and events, and she frames this as a betrayal of Kirk.
- The second half broadens into a discussion of how celebrity deaths are narrated, packaged, and monetized.
Tone and Style
- Highly emotional, adversarial, and accusatory
- Heavy use of metaphor, especially parasites/infestation
- Strong religious language and spiritual framing
- Frequent digressions and side references
- Includes sponsor reads and audience-comment reads as part of the flow
Audience Interaction and Closing Notes
Owens closes by:
- Thanking viewers for sending tips and supporting her work
- Reiterating that more information is coming
- Encouraging people to keep fighting for what she describes as the truth about Charlie Kirk’s death
- Promoting her merch and documentary content
Overall, this episode is less a traditional news recap and more a personal, investigative, and polemical response to the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s killing, with Owens using alleged texts, insider claims, and public interviews to argue that the official and media narratives are incomplete or dishonest.